SUMMARY: full OS installation on 2nd disk

From: Robert Fridman (fridman@ucalgary.ca)
Date: Fri May 03 2002 - 14:27:55 EDT

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I recieved 2 speedy responses:

If what you mean is "can I drive the installation of V5.1A onto my
spare disk while V4.0G is up and running on the primary disk", the
answer is "no, won't work".

Many of the steps in the installation procedure only work if you've
got the "install" kernel running; there are things that need to work
in the V5.1A installation that a V4.0G system can't support at all.

In other words, forget about it. Won't work.

Tom

Dr. Thomas P. Blinn + UNIX Software Group + Compaq Computer Corporation

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The only install methods are CDRom or RIS server. The RIS server
must be
running V5.1A

Mat Morris.

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Original question:

I have a DS20 with 2 disks. The first disk has 4.0g (it's the boot
disk). I want to install 5.1a on the empty 2nd disk. Can I do this
while the system is running 4.0g? In other words, how can I perform a
clean install of 5.1a without booting from the CDROM?

Robert.

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Robert Fridman fridman@ucalgary.ca
MACI Cluster Computing Systems Administrator
Netera Alliance
University of Calgary
Phone: (403) 220-6779 Fax: (403) 282-9199

Robert.

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:38:24 -0600
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Thanks for the explanation. But would it be possible to do the
install in an ES40, and then move the disk to the DS20e, boot generic
and configure a proper kernel?

I want to upgrade my DS20e, but with minimum downtime. Ideally, I'd
like to build a 5.1a disk elsewhere, and just plug it into the DS20
( happen to have a spare ES40 for this).

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 02:35 PM, Dr. Thomas.Blinn@Compaq.com
wrote:

>
>
>>
>> I have a DS20 with 2 disks. The first disk has 4.0g (it's the boot
>> disk). I want to install 5.1a on the empty 2nd disk. Can I do this
>> while the system is running 4.0g? In other words, how can I perform a
>> clean install of 5.1a without booting from the CDROM?
>>
>>
>> Robert.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Robert Fridman fridman@ucalgary.ca
>> MACI Cluster Computing Systems Administrator
>> Netera Alliance
>> University of Calgary
>> Phone: (403) 220-6779 Fax: (403) 282-9199
>
> If what you mean is "can I drive the installation of V5.1A onto my
> spare disk while V4.0G is up and running on the primary disk", the
> answer is "no, won't work".
>
> Many of the steps in the installation procedure only work if you've
> got the "install" kernel running; there are things that need to work
> in the V5.1A installation that a V4.0G system can't support at all.
>
> In other words, forget about it. Won't work.
>
> Tom
>
> Dr. Thomas P. Blinn + UNIX Software Group + Compaq Computer
> Corporation
> 110 Spit Brook Road, MS ZKO3-2/W17 Nashua, New Hampshire 03062-2698
> Technology Partnership Engineering Phone: (603) 884-0646
> Internet: tpb@zk3.dec.com - or - thomas.blinn@compaq.com
> ACM Member: tpblinn@acm.org PC@Home: tom@felines.mv.net
>
> Worry kills more people than work because more people worry than
> work.
>
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>
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> -- Phil Agre, pagre@alpha.oac.ucla.edu
>
> Yesterday it worked / Today it is not working / UNIX is like that
> -- apologies to Margaret Segall
>
> Opinions expressed herein are my own, and do not necessarily
> represent
> those of my employer or anyone else, living or dead, real or
> imagined.
>
>

Robert.

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:48:42 -0600
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check this out: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,52255,00.html

Robert.

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:53:12 -0600
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Thanks for the info Selden.

Robert.

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:27:15 -0600
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Subject: QIC drives
From: Robert Fridman <fridman@ucalgary.ca>
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Darcy, do you still have any working (and attached) QIC drives (1/4"
cartridge)?

Robert.

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:32:41 -0600
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From: Robert Fridman <fridman@ucalgary.ca>
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On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 04:30 PM, alan@nabeth.cxo.cpqcorp.net
wrote:

>
>
> I believe the installation expects to run in the context
> having been booted from the CDROM. So, if I understand
> the question correctly, no you can't install V5.1A while
> V4 (or anything else is running).

this is too bad since it would have reduced down time quite a bit.

> I've often
> mounted the UFS file systems of other system disks
> read-only under a different directory tree on whatever
> system was running. This probably wouldn't work well
> for AdvFS based system disks because you'd have multiple
> instances of the same domain name.

This works quite well indeed. The domain name is simply a pointer to
the device which has the domain. You can call it anything you want as
long as you have appropriate entries in /etc/fdmns. The file set
names in the domain must match whatever you specified during the
mkfset command though.

Robert.

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:41:35 -0600
Subject: today's gathering
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From: fridman@ucalgary.ca
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Mark, is there a gathering today? I have bottles for you.

Robert.

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:27:28 -0600
Subject: Re: WestGrid Space in Machine Room
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Ken, can you get the floor plan for the area?

On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 11:10 AM, Harold Esche wrote:

> In preparation for the RFP, can you
> either draw or get from Ken some general floor plans for that area? I
> think that as part of the RFP we will be asking for the vendor to
> describe how the machines would be located and what A/C is required and
> it would be useful to give them some *basic* floor plans.

Robert.

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:25:47 -0600
Subject: Re: Max size for disk under Tru64 V5.1
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> Does anyone know the maximum size of a SCSI disk (or RAID array which
> pretends to be a BIG disk to the system) that can be attached to a
> Tru64
> V5.1 system?

I think that 1 TB is the max for a disk device currently. The next
release of the OS should increase this to 2 TB. But it all depends on
the file system that you want to put on it. UFS has a limit of 1 TB
I think. Advfs has a limit of 1 TB per file set, but you can have
multiple filesets.

> My system does not like labelling a 1.2Tbyte disk (RAID array), The GUI
> complains of negative sizes.
>

Don 't use GUIs;)

Robert.

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