From: Shenk, Jerry A (jshenk@decommunications.com)
Date: Thu May 11 2006 - 13:05:31 EDT
And in your hypothetical example, you didn't go into the store, grab a few things and take them to the local newspaper so that they could write up an article about it.
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From: Ian Scott [mailto:ian@pairowoodies.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:11 AM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Pentester convicted..
So, one night, I'm taking a stroll along main street in my town. I stop for a
rest, and happen to lean up against the front door of a store.
I notice the door gives a little bit - and out of curiousity and concern, push
a little harder.
The door opens.
I immediately stop what I am doing, and notify the owners and the authorities
that the premises are insecure.
By the absolute legal definition, I have indeed "broke and entered" the
premises.
Where the hell is motive in all of this? I think that unless there was motive
to do some harm, this conviction is utterly ridiculous.
That's my quickie opinion on the matter.
Best,
Ian Scott
On May 10, 2006 10:20 am, William Hancock wrote:
> Hey there pen-testers, take this with a grain of salt, it just got me
> excited. I am really interested in everyones opinion on the matter or
> corporate responsibility and ownership.
>
> <RANT>
> In an article posted to slashdot today
> (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/10/112259&from=rss) a man
> has been convicted of hacking when he casually and helpfully reported a
> security vulnerability to the owners of a web site, in this case The
> University of Southern California. It reads like it was some sort of
> simple SQL injection and upon gleaning the information he reported it.
>
> What are we to do as a community I ask? We should we, the good guys,
> who are paid for our knowledge and ability to exploit mistakes,
> oversights, and weaknesses then professionally report them to aid in the
> securing of information capital (or anyone who reports the flaw for that
> matter) worry about prosecution. It lends itself to a forcing the
> technical community to sit on their laurels and wait for the people who
> don't report issues to exploit them. Further it sounds very clear that
> had he not notified them, they would have never known.
>
> A security pro notices a flaw, checks to make sure he is not on crack by
> 'flipping a bit', deems the threat viable and is likely to be exploited,
> notifies the owners, then get arrested and charged with unauthorized
> access. We, as a or even The security community, should push
> corporations, governments, and organized body's to take responsibility
> and ownership of their problems. If they publish a site that is flawed
> or exposing information then they are authorizing the retrieval of that
> information. I'm not advocating that they laws should allow any jerk to
> try and brute his or her way in to a public or private web site, but
> come on.
>
> If someone leaves their wallet in the park with no guard or protection,
> I pick it up and bring it back to the owner, the owner didn't want me to
> have it but I brought it back to him. Why in the hell should I have to
> go to jail for returning it to him, why should I/we be punished for
> doing the right thing?
>
> I acknowledge this to be a rant but there must but some way to insist
> that when people make something available to the public that it is their
> responsibility to safeguard it and appreciate not persecute someone who
> let's them know (for free I might add) that a weakness exists. This is
> simple scapegoating, the University did something not advisable as a
> good practice and instead of owning up to it they villafied a
> professional pen-tester for offering valid advice.
>
> </RANT>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
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