Re: System arch

From: rohan chandrashekar (rohanchandrashekar@YAHOO.COM)
Date: Fri Jan 31 2003 - 14:54:41 EST


I have had some good hands on experience on various EMC products;Switches and Sun/HP/AIX servers. Have worked for quite a long time with the EMC guys in installing various EMC products and doing major datacentre moves. So, I do understand SAN environment, but have never done from scratch like doing the SAN arch. I was hoping to get some docs or links that would give some details on it.
Rohan

 Bill Verzal <Bill_Verzal@BCBSIL.COM> wrote:http://www.brocade.com/products/pdf/SW12000_HA_TB_01.pdf

Addressing the Causes of Planned Downtime

To address the most common causes of planned downtime (such as scheduled
maintenance, product upgrades, or the deployment or removal of new
components), the SilkWorm 12000 enables non-disruptive hardware and
software upgrades. To prevent downtime, all major hardware components of
the SilkWorm 12000 switch are field-replaceable and hot-swappable.
Field-replaceable components can be installed without disrupting SAN
operations minimizing downtime for hardware upgrades. To prevent downtime
during software upgrades the SilkWorm 12000 provides hot code downloading
which enables firmware upgrades to be downloaded and activated without
disrupting other operations

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of "firmware" and "software". The
marketing fluff above says you can do hot code downloading.

Whose right ?

And yes - separate power locations would be wonderful as well.

BV
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agree with everything, except this:

>>Officially, the Silkworm 12000 is not a director, according to
marketing fluff.

this is not marketing fluff. you can not do concurrent firmware updates
without an interruption of the fabric, hence it is just a big switch, and
is
not director class

>>The racks housing the separate fabrics should be on separate power
feeds.
and preferably in separate locations..if possible

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Bill Verzal
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:51 PM
To: aix-l@Princeton.EDU
Subject: Re: System arch

Please don't take offense at this, but if this is new to you, you should
not do it without a thorough understanding of SAN fabrics, subsystem
device drivers, and switch zoning. This sounds like a pretty substantial
undertaking.

>From a high level, you'll need several core switches and many edge
switches. If you don't know what that means, you should get some
immediate SAN training.

>From there, for the edge connections, you'll need to know traffic loads
so
you can distribute the load across the different edge switches.

You'll need to know the total load for any number of edge switches so you
don't overload the core switches.

You'll need to plan for growth in the edge switches.

You'll need at least 2 separate fabrics to ensure at least 99.999%
availability. The new Brocade Silkworm 12000 advertises (10) 9's in a
dual fabric configuration. That is 99.99999999% uptime, which is .00005
minutes of downtime per year. You also have the option of other models of
directors. Officially, the Silkworm 12000 is not a director, according to
marketing fluff.

The racks housing the separate fabrics should be on separate power feeds.

I'll stop here and let others share their thoughts.

BV
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Hi!
There is a plan to open a new datacentre with about 200-300
servers consisting of Sun/IBM and Windows server. The SAN environment
would be using the Brocade switces, EMC symm, storagetek library,
JNI/Emulex hba's. EMC control centre would be used for storage management.
I have been given the responsibility to plan the lay out the SAN arch.
This is quite new to me. I would appreciate if anyone could give some
feedback on this. Any arch diagram or any documents that could be use to
plan the datacentre.
Thanks,
Rohan

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