From: durgads@charteredsemi.com
Date: Tue Jan 28 2003 - 19:35:18 EST
Hi,
Ttry with : boot system from CDROM and run FSCK manualy
#newfs -N device_name ==> this will give you alternative super blocks
# fsck -F ufs -o b=(alternative super_block_No) Device_name.
Best Regards,
Shanker Durgad,
IT Infrastructure & Operations,
Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing Ltd.
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Today's Topics:
1. move solaris 8 on UE2 to 220R (Nate Campi)
2. Sun DTL (Scott Hereld)
3. SUMMARY: OT: Awk script specific to Solaris Box
(=?iso-8859-1?q?UmanS?=)
4. C2 Security (Srikanth Muthyala)
5. SMTP Auth in Solaris 9 (Michael Schneider)
6. nfs mount (Roelf Schreurs)
7. scp leaves ssh processes running (Patricio Mora
=?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F3pez?=)
8. Server very slow (SIMONE CRISTINA SPERANDIO)
9. Solaris Installation Error (Simran Hansrai)
10. date problem (Rodrigo G)
11. question about CDE (Ebru.Tan@posta.mam.gov.tr)
12. NIS, NIS+ or LDAP (Chris L. Anderson)
13. fat-fingered directories (solaris 2.6 (Bruntel, Mitchell L, ALABS)
14. HELP - Server very slow (SIMONE CRISTINA SPERANDIO)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:45:30 -0800
From: Nate Campi <nate@campin.net>
To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org
Subject: move solaris 8 on UE2 to 220R
I'm trying to boot a disk from a UE2 in a 220R. I installed these
packages (compared /kernel/drv with a 220R already running solaris 8):
SUNWncar SUNWncarx SUNWpd SUNWpdx SUNWrtvcx SUNWusb SUNWusbx
When I boot from the disk in the 220R I get this:
Boot device: /pci@1f,4000/scsi@3/disk@0,0 File and args: -r
SunOS Release 5.8 Version Generic_108528-18 64-bit
Copyright 1983-2001 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.
configuring IPv4 interfaces:ip_rput_dlpi(hme0): DL_ERROR_ACK for
DL_ATTACH_REQ(11), errno 8, unix 0
ip_rput_dlpi(hme0): DL_ERROR_ACK for DL_BIND_REQ(1), errno 3, unix 0
ip_rput_dlpi(hme0): DL_ERROR_ACK for DL_PHYS_ADDR_REQ(49), errno 3, unix 0
ip_rput_dlpi(hme0): DL_ERROR_ACK for DL_UNBIND_REQ(2), errno 3, unix 0
ip_rput_dlpi(hme0): DL_ERROR_ACK for DL_DETACH_REQ(12), errno 3, unix 0
ifconfig: SIOCSLIFNAME for ip: hme0: no such interface
ifconfig: SIOCGLIFNETMASK: hme0: no such interface
hme0ifconfig: plumb: SIOCLIFADDIF: hme0:1: no such interface
ifconfig: SIOCGLIFNETMASK: hme0:1: no such interface
hme0:1.
Hostname: suckyserver
/dev/dsk/c0t0d0s1: No such device or address
The / file system (/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0) is being checked.
Can't open /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0
/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0: CAN'T CHECK FILE SYSTEM.
/dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
WARNING - Unable to repair the / filesystem. Run fsck
manually (fsck -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s0). Exit the shell when
done to continue the boot process.
When I'm dropped to a shell, I find all the paths still point to SBUS
addresses:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 Sep 19 2000 /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0
-> ../../devices/sbus@1f,0/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0:a
I touched /reconfigure and booted with -r. I'm hesitant to do something
drastic like manually edit /etc/path_to_inst ... but I'm not really sure
what to try at this point.
Any and all pointers welcome.
-- Nate Campi http://www.campin.net Real programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers are around at 9 am, it's because they were up all night. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:20:37 -0800 From: Scott Hereld <scott@trackmaster.com> To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Subject: Sun DTL Sun Managers, I'm looking for the proper method of backing up to tape, a SparcStorage Library (Exabyte EXB-210), from any of our Solaris 8.0 Sun systems (11). I am having difficulty attaching to the device from the other systems and could use some assistance. Thank you in advance, -- Scott Hereld V.P. Engineering TrackMaster - An Equibase Company 851 Fremont Ave. #109 Los Altos, CA 94024 (650)947-9020x112 mailto:scott@trackmaster.com http://www.trackmaster.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:26:37 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?UmanS?= <kedaran0504@yahoo.com.au> Subject: SUMMARY: OT: Awk script specific to Solaris Box To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Hi Managers, Thanks for the replies. I have followed Brenden Gregg's advise not to use awk and make it simple (as his email). His script covers multiple NIC cards and I have inserted grep command to skip the virtual IPs. Thanks to Brenden. My script ended like this: display_nic_parameter() { ###Nic parameters in Main #### for nic in `netstat -i | grep -v ":[0-9]" | awk 'NR >= 3 { if ($1) print $1 }'` do set -- `echo $nic | sed 's/\([0-9]*\)$/ \1/` type=$1 num=$2 echo "<h5>Interface Name: $nic </h5>" /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/$type instance $num for param in $nicparams do echo " $param: \c" ndd -get /dev/$type $param done done } Note: forwarded message attached. http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema? X-Apparently-To: kedaran0504@yahoo.com.au via 216.136.129.108; 23 Jan 2003 21:40:09 -0800 (PST) X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: <brendan@sun.com> Received: from 192.18.42.14 (EHLO nwkea-mail-2.sun.com) (192.18.42.14) by mta127.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2003 21:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from tolstoy-mail1.Aus.Sun.COM ([129.158.178.163]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04486 for <kedaran0504@yahoo.com.au>; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tilly (tilly [129.158.178.26]) by tolstoy-mail1.Aus.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h0O5e1o19271 for <kedaran0504@yahoo.com.au>; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:40:01 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:33:22 +1100 (EST) From: Brendan Gregg <brendan@sun.com> X-Sender: bg129948@tilly To: =?iso-8859-1?q?UmanS?= <kedaran0504@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Re: OT: Awk script specific to Solaris Box In-Reply-To: <20030124045533.8743.qmail@web9405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2086 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from MULTIPART/MIXED by demime 0.99c.7 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hi Uman, I've attached a script, perhaps this helps? Sending variables into an awk script is indeed difficult! My solution was to try a different approach... no worries, Brendan Standard Disclaimer: "Any opinions expressed are personal, and do not necessarily reflect those of Sun Microsystems." Brendan Gregg { Brendan@Sun.COM # Level 3, 33 Berry St Solaris Instructor # North Sydney, Australia Sun Educational Services # +61 2 9466 9662 (x59662) } On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, [iso-8859-1] UmanS wrote: |Hi gurus, | |I have a script like this ( specific to Solaris box) | |$$$$$$ Script starts here $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |#!/usr/bin/ksh |drvparams="transceiver_inuse \ | link_status \ | link_speed \ | link_mode \ | ipg1 \ | ipg2 \ | use_int_xcvr \ | pace_size \ | adv_autoneg_cap \ | adv_100T4_cap \ | adv_100fdx_cap \ | adv_100hdx_cap \ | adv_10fdx_cap \ | adv_10hdx_cap \ | autoneg_cap \ | 100T4_cap \ | 100fdx_cap \ | 100hdx_cap \ | 10fdx_cap \ | 10hdx_cap \ | lp_autoneg_cap \ | lp_100T4_cap \ | lp_100fdx_cap \ | lp_100hdx_cap \ | lp_10fdx_cap \ | lp_10hdx_cap \ | instance \ | lance_mode \ | ipg0" |netstat -i |sed -n '3,$p'|sed -e '/^$/d'|grep -v |":[0-9]" |nawk |'{print substr($1,1,3),substr($1,4,1)}' |\ |nawk ' {print "Card Name: " $1, "Instance: " $2} | system ("/usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/"$1 " instance " |$2) | for (parm in $drvparams) |{ | print ($parm, " = ", system("/usr/sbin/ndd /dev/" |$1 "/" $parm)) |}' |$$$$$$ Script ends here $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | |In this script (please forgive me for using two nawks |and two seds ) the for loop |inside nawk |How can I pass the values from drvparams to the nwak. |I do not want to |put it in a separate file. | |Thanks again |Uman | | |http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies |- What's on at your local cinema? |_______________________________________________ |sunmanagers mailing list |sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org |http://www.sunmanagers.org/mailman/listinfo/sunmanagers | Brendan Gregg { Brendan@Sun.COM # Level 3, 33 Berry St Solaris Instructor # North Sydney, Australia Sun Educational Services # +61 2 9466 9662 (x59662) } [demime 0.99c.7 removed a section which didn't have a content-type header] --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: C2 Security To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org From: Srikanth Muthyala <Srikanth.Muthyala@mannai.com.qa> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:01:28 +0300 Hi I want to enable C2 Security on my V880 Server Running Solaris 8. I want to know how to implement this . TIA Srikanth Muthyala, *** --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:39:56 +0100 From: Michael Schneider <sunsolve@mm-itconsulting.com> To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Subject: SMTP Auth in Solaris 9 Hi managers, i have problems to compile cyrus-sasl on solaris 9 can someone tell me where to find a sendmail smtp-auth package ? Michael --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:51:45 +0100 From: Roelf Schreurs <rosc@imc.nl> To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Subject: nfs mount Hi I'm mounting a drive from a solaris 8 server to a redhat server. The mount is working, but all files are owned by "nobody4" I can not find a place to change the uid or username as in redhat's mount. Any ideas? Thanks -- Roelf Schreurs Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:18:19 +0100 From: Patricio Mora =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F3pez?= <patricio.mora.ext@juntadeandalucia.es> To: Sun Managers List <sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org> Subject: scp leaves ssh processes running Hello all. When I issue an scp command like this /bin/scp ihgob00000170045_0001.arc dana:/oradata/ihgob/archive/standby00000170045_0001.arc which does its work well, I found that sometimes (over 50 %) a ssh process is left running: /usr/local/bin/ssh -x -oFallBackToRsh no dana scp -t /oradata/ihgob/archive/standby00000170045_0001.arc so I will end being out of processes someday if I don't kill them. I've tested if from script, from cron, and from command line directly, with the same efects. SSH Version OpenSSH_2.2.0p1, protocol versions 1.5/2.0. Only protocol 2 activated. SunOS frodo 5.6 Generic_105181-31 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise-10000 I've found some literature about ssh sessions hanging on exit, but I've no access to this ssh process launched by the scp process, and with parent id = 1 in ps. Any ideas?. Thank you. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: SIMONE CRISTINA SPERANDIO <scristina@zogbi-promovel.com.br> To: "'sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org'" <sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org> Subject: Server very slow Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:02:34 -0200 > All, > My company is with a very great problem. > We made the migration of Oracle 8 for oracle 9i. > After the migration the server was very slow. > All its area of swap is being consumed. > Idle always in 0% > I direct the reports of vmstat, mpstat, to sar. > Help please. > > SUN E4500 > SAR > zogbi24:> sar -u 10 10 > > SunOS zogbi24 5.8 Generic_108528-15 sun4u 01/28/03 > > 11:51:43 %usr %sys %wio %idle > 11:51:53 54 46 0 0 > 11:52:03 53 47 0 0 > 11:52:14 48 52 0 0 > 11:52:24 50 50 0 0 > 11:52:34 49 51 0 0 > 11:52:44 50 50 0 0 > 11:52:54 48 52 0 0 > 11:53:04 48 52 0 0 > 11:53:14 49 51 0 0 > 11:53:24 53 47 0 0 > Average 50 50 0 0 > MPSTAT > CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl > usr sys wt idl > 0 161 0 2091 1666 1391 954 208 100 757 0 6694 47 25 8 > 20 > 1 167 0 1169 320 100 1099 244 110 810 0 7328 49 23 9 > 19 > 4 171 0 1192 317 100 1082 241 108 806 0 7138 49 22 9 > 20 > 5 173 0 1220 321 100 1078 236 112 816 0 7214 50 22 9 > 19 > 8 165 0 1287 556 351 1042 227 108 773 0 7166 48 23 9 > 21 > 9 167 0 1196 549 345 1049 235 104 776 0 7239 50 23 8 > 19 > 12 168 0 1207 329 105 1095 233 115 806 0 7204 48 22 10 > 21 > 13 169 0 1177 370 145 1089 235 117 805 0 7359 50 22 9 > 19 > vmstat 5 5 > procs memory page disk faults cpu > r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr s6 s1 s1 s1 in sy cs us > sy id > 14 4 0 7983496 3113368 161 1350 45 3 2 0 0 0 0 5 5 4340 57301 8501 49 > 23 29 > 68 24 0 4404176 200720 289 2997 38 6 3 0 0 0 0 4 4 7096 41599 12298 58 > 42 0 > 62 23 0 4417248 209456 220 2545 16 4 3 0 0 0 0 1 2 6727 45199 11874 56 > 44 0 > 58 24 0 4421296 215408 367 2701 1020 9 8 0 0 0 0 1 1 6744 42845 11640 57 > 43 0 > 72 24 0 4440616 230024 315 3240 27 11 9 0 0 0 0 3 3 6961 41234 11352 57 > 43 0 > iostat 5 5 > tty sd6 sd11 sd12 sd16 cpu > tin tout kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv us sy > wt id > 45 17934 0 0 0 0 0 6 54 5 8 53 5 4 49 23 > 9 20 > 177 75878 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 1 19 14 1 5 56 44 > 0 0 > 174 64912 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 2 15 36 2 8 55 45 > 0 0 > 151 73447 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 2 18 54 1 9 58 42 > 0 0 > 178 71771 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 1 19 27 1 5 57 43 > 0 0 > > > > [ ]4s > Simone Cristina Sperandio > Adm. Unix > Zogbi-Promovel - Brasil > 3038-3385 > 3031-0267 > scristina@zogbi-promovel.com.br > http://www.zogbi.com.br --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:39:47 -0800 From: Simran Hansrai <sparc@pacbell.net> Subject: Solaris Installation Error To: "'sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org'" <sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org> Hi Guys, I am trying to install sol. 9 but keep getting the following error: Error: Could not open file /a/etc/vfstab Could not create the file system mount table (/etc/vfstab) Any ideas as to what might be causing this error? Bad Media, maybe? Any suggestions would be grately appreciated. Thanks in advance, Simran --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) From: Rodrigo G <rmg00@yahoo.com> Subject: date problem To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Hi gurus, I'm having a weird behavior of the date command... look at this, date Mon Jan 31 13:35:21 GMT 2005 date 0128113803 Tue Jan 28 11:38:00 GMT 2003 but.... I run again date and... Mon Mar 28 11:38:38 GMT 2005 <--- 2005???? Mar????? I also tried this on Single user mode, and it does the same thing. Thank in advance RG Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ebru.Tan@posta.mam.gov.tr To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Subject: question about CDE Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:03:08 +0200 Hi all, I have a question about CDE. The system is opening openwindows as default. When I login the system the command mode appear and I write my user name and passwd then a mesaage appears like "openwindows is opening in 5 seconds if you want to log by command prompt press ctrl D" but I want to run Common Desktop Environment. what should I do? What should I change? thanks a lot ------------------------ Ebru TAN E-Mail : ebru.tan@posta.mam.gov.tr TUBITAK Marmara Research Center Earth and Marine Sciences Research Institute Pbox:21 41470 Gebze/KOCAELI tel :+90 262 641 23 00 ext:4321 fax :+90 262 641 23 09 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06.12.2002 --__--__-- Message: 12 Subject: NIS, NIS+ or LDAP Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:09:25 -0600 From: "Chris L. Anderson" <CA07@ridemetro.org> To: <sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org> Our UNIX environment is growing rapidly and I need to implement some kind of information service. I was planning to use NIS but I am not really comfortable with the access to the encrypted passwords. I have tried to implement LDAP using both Sun's LDAP ( previously the iPlanet LDAP server I believe ) and OpenLDAP with no success. I have heard stories about NIS+ that basically say I should avoid it for reasons I can't remember at this point. Basically I would like to hear some suggestions from those who have been down this route. So if you have any opinions on which is better I would like to hear them. Also if you are using LDAP and prefer it ... please let me know which version of LDAP you are using. Thanks in advance for your time and suggestions, Chris L. Anderson UNIX Systems Administrator Houston Metropolitan Transit Authority Office: (713) 739-4917 Cell: (713) 417-5523 Pager: (713) 406-5172 Email: ca07@ridemetro.org Pager email: chrisanderson@my2way.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Subject: fat-fingered directories (solaris 2.6 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:20:10 -0500 From: "Bruntel, Mitchell L, ALABS" <mbruntel@att.com> To: <sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org> Ok. I could have should have most absolutely should NOT have logged out of this system, but it's down. 1) I was on as root, (but thought I was on as myself), and did a " chown -R myself:staff * " on what I thought was my directory, but was unfortunately root directory. I interrupted the command when I realized, but too late. i can no longer reliably log into the machine as root unless I go into init S (which I can seem to only do reliably when I am doing a boot cdrom) I broke out of the boot cd, and entered single user fine. did a fsck, and mounted old /root as /tmp/root, etc. but wouldnt let me chown back. Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong? Thank heavens it's not a major machine for me. thanks again Oh. Solaris 2.6 on a Sparc 4200 --__--__-- Message: 14 From: SIMONE CRISTINA SPERANDIO <scristina@zogbi-promovel.com.br> To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org Subject: HELP - Server very slow Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:58:57 -0200 All, My company is with a very great problem. We made the migration of Oracle 8 for oracle 9i. After the migration the server was very slow. All its area of swap is being consumed. Idle always in 0% I direct the reports of vmstat, mpstat, to sar. Help please. SUN E4500 SAR zogbi24:> sar -u 10 10 SunOS zogbi24 5.8 Generic_108528-15 sun4u 01/28/03 11:51:43 %usr %sys %wio %idle 11:51:53 54 46 0 0 11:52:03 53 47 0 0 11:52:14 48 52 0 0 11:52:24 50 50 0 0 11:52:34 49 51 0 0 11:52:44 50 50 0 0 11:52:54 48 52 0 0 11:53:04 48 52 0 0 11:53:14 49 51 0 0 11:53:24 53 47 0 0 Average 50 50 0 0 MPSTAT CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 0 161 0 2091 1666 1391 954 208 100 757 0 6694 47 25 8 20 1 167 0 1169 320 100 1099 244 110 810 0 7328 49 23 9 19 4 171 0 1192 317 100 1082 241 108 806 0 7138 49 22 9 20 5 173 0 1220 321 100 1078 236 112 816 0 7214 50 22 9 19 8 165 0 1287 556 351 1042 227 108 773 0 7166 48 23 9 21 9 167 0 1196 549 345 1049 235 104 776 0 7239 50 23 8 19 12 168 0 1207 329 105 1095 233 115 806 0 7204 48 22 10 21 13 169 0 1177 370 145 1089 235 117 805 0 7359 50 22 9 19 vmstat 5 5 procs memory page disk faults cpu r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr s6 s1 s1 s1 in sy cs us sy id 14 4 0 7983496 3113368 161 1350 45 3 2 0 0 0 0 5 5 4340 57301 8501 49 23 29 68 24 0 4404176 200720 289 2997 38 6 3 0 0 0 0 4 4 7096 41599 12298 58 42 0 62 23 0 4417248 209456 220 2545 16 4 3 0 0 0 0 1 2 6727 45199 11874 56 44 0 58 24 0 4421296 215408 367 2701 1020 9 8 0 0 0 0 1 1 6744 42845 11640 57 43 0 72 24 0 4440616 230024 315 3240 27 11 9 0 0 0 0 3 3 6961 41234 11352 57 43 0 iostat 5 5 tty sd6 sd11 sd12 sd16 cpu tin tout kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv us sy wt id 45 17934 0 0 0 0 0 6 54 5 8 53 5 4 49 23 9 20 177 75878 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 1 19 14 1 5 56 44 0 0 174 64912 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 2 15 36 2 8 55 45 0 0 151 73447 0 0 0 0 0 0 58 2 18 54 1 9 58 42 0 0 178 71771 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 1 19 27 1 5 57 43 0 0 [ ]4s Simone Cristina Sperandio Adm. 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