From: Brady McClenon (BMcClenon@uamail.albany.edu)
Date: Fri Jan 06 2006 - 14:54:09 EST
What about them? All may be possible, but my question remains. Have we
seen this, or is it just theory? And, is the server hosting the forum
truly infected/compromised? It's like saying a snake is infected with
it's own venom.
Also, I dismiss any findings on porn sites. 90% of people that frequent
porn sites would install the same compromise if it came with EULA they
had to agree to before installation. You don't need to dupe porn fiends
into doing anything, just making it stand between them and their porn is
enough. Might seem harsh, but does anyone truly disagree? :)
One last rant... I'm tired of hearing in the media that file indexers
like Google desktop can cause a compromise through the WMF exploit. It
only indexes what is ALREADY on your hard drive. How did it get there
to begin with?!? Obviously the user interacted with it at some point in
the past in order to put it there. The exploit would have occurred at
that point, not when the file indexer finds it later!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Socrates [mailto:socrates@newsguy.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:13 PM
> To: Brady McClenon
> Cc: Drew Simonis; Thor (Hammer of God); Erin Carroll;
> pen-test@securityfocus.com; Larry Seltzer; focus-ms@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: New article on SecurityFocus
>
> What about a trojaned avatar for your username in a forum?
> How about a
> malicious iframe inclusion in HTML enabled forums?
>
> Brady McClenon wrote:
> > Just curious. I hear media reports and people saying that there's
> > hundreds or thousands of compromised web site from this,
> but I have ask
> > where these numbers come from? Where is this data, or is it pure
> > speculation? I'm also curious how one could compromise a web server
> > with this exploit. Putting files on a web server to dole out and
> > compromise other computers I can see, but is the web server really
> > compromised in this case? If so, was it by way of the WMF exploit?
> >
> > One last question: Has anyone here experienced or know
> anyone that has
> > a "legitimate" web server compromised (or serving out) by the WMF
> > exploit. I'm trying to determine if there are those with actual
> > knowledge that the sky is indeed falling, or if we are all
> shaking over
> > unsubstantiated media hype.
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Drew Simonis [mailto:simonis@myself.com]
> >>Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:22 AM
> >>To: Thor (Hammer of God); Erin Carroll; pen-test@securityfocus.com
> >>Cc: Larry Seltzer; focus-ms@securityfocus.com
> >>Subject: Re: New article on SecurityFocus
> >>
> >>
> >>>Overall, I think community's coverage of wmf has been delivered
> >>>with an ounce of perception, and a pound of obscurity.
> It's almost
> >>>as if people *want* it to be worse than it is. I'm not surprised,
> >>>of course. But regardless, my call is that we'll see a little
> >>>activity here and there, the patch will come out, most
> will install
> >>>it (or have it installed automatically) and the whole issue will
> >>>fade away. But that's all.
> >>>
> >>>We'll know for sure shortly, either way.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Thor,
> >>I think your path of thought is stuck a bit in the past.
> >>Worms are neat as a technical exercise, but we see more and
> >>more that the attackers are increasingly aware of the value
> >>of these vulnerabilities from a financial perspective, not
> >>merely for notoriety. As such, it benefits the attacker to
> >>have a less subtle attack, one that does not sensationalize
> >>the vulnerability. Complacency is their ally.
> >>
> >>That said, there are already numerous (hundreds+)
> >>"legitimate" web sites that have been compromised and had
> >>exploit images injected into their content. There are also
> >>already hundreds of thousands of machines that have been
> >>infected with Trojans or bots. These infected machines will
> >>patch, but they won't be safe, and the problem gets worse.
> >>
> >>So no, there won't be some catastrophic worm event. But I
> >>posit that what there will be could be much worse.
> >>
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