From: Jayson Anderson (sonick@sonick.com)
Date: Thu Sep 01 2005 - 22:37:37 EDT
Agreed. If I may amplify on that...
Juan, in order to make your case, you're going to need to broaden your
scope in order to even resemble a grasp on security measures worth
granting even the slightest tacit approval. The CEO may not know that
now, but he will deduce it somewhere along the path if you move forward
with a single-host-centric approach to making your root case for change.
Abandon the lone host approach right now or don't even move forward if
that's the only metric you're allowed by the CEO. Shift to CYA mode and
forget about it for awhile....
OR, if you were able to get approval to enumerate and illustrate a
broader scope of technologies, would you be focusing more on network
security, host security or data security heavily or are you referring to
general lack of / poor policies ? Perhaps you want to focus on the whole
gamut of sub-categories, but it's not apparent in your first
communication.
I would suggest you modify and tailor a pre-existing security engagement
methodology document so that it mostly matches the big picture of your
current environment, then present that to your CEO with the intent to
request broad-based enumeration access to the existing infrastructure
and follow-up presentation regarding your findings. Of course alluding
to the following suggested implementations, integration, change
management and follow-up verification and testing methods would be
helpful as well.
Sorry to explode your request into something as broad as it could
possibly be, but given your approach of discussing directly with the CEO
suggests you are to be the POC for any changes. You are not going to be
able to wow him with one host, PERIOD; let alone a mostly-patched XPSP2
workstation. I'd hope not anyway.
Sorry to confound your original question but I'm making suggestions I
feel would be far more helpful both to your enterprise security AND your
career in both the short and long term. Showing your CEO a cumulative
report with lots of pies, graphs, metrics, specifics and follow-up
suggestions to choose from will be far more impressive than you hitting
carriage return on your laptop and a spooky monotonic midi playing on
his workstation (sorry, my own visual) during a 5-minute unofficial
pow-wow prior to lunch break.
Feel free to contact me offline if you need methodology ideas or rough
templates....
Best Regards,
Jayson
On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 00:06 +0100, phugo@highspeedweb.net wrote:
> Hi,
> Shouldn't you try to penetrate something more important than the CEO box ?
> Aren't there any more important servers than CEO box ?
> In what aspect do you need better security ? Having a "good" antivirus
> protection, all patches, and firewalls enabled at desktops, doesn't look
> that bad security.
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juan B [mailto:juanbabi@yahoo.com]
> Sent: quinta-feira, 1 de Setembro de 2005 6:46
> To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Hacking to Xp box
>
> Hi Guys
>
> Please give me a hend here.
>
> Im trying to penetrate the CEO box to show him why we need better security
> in our company, he told me to show me how it can be done. he has xp pro sp 2
> with all the pathches installed and FW enbled but I cant ! I tried to use
> metasploit with the ms rpc dcom exploit but it didnt worked. nessus found
> port 135 139 2000 and ntp are opened and also he can read some smb shares
> and also outputed that this host doesnt disgard SYN packets that have the
> FIN flag set. and port 2000 (callback is open).
> what I can try more to break this box? any ideas? I know I allways can try
> to arp poison his arp table and pass all the machines traffic throw my
> laptop to capture some passwords but this is enough. or send him a
> trojan but we have a good anti virus protection .
>
>
> Does some of you have Ideas ?
>
> Thanks a lot !
>
> Juan
>
>
>
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