From: glemmon@onealwebster.com
Date: Fri Jun 24 2005 - 16:28:31 EDT
FCH,
It is pretty much up to you as to which training option you decide to use.
>From the feedback I got and I guess like any other learning process much
depends on the instructor you get: their own level of knowledge and
experience, your willingness to learn (and aptitude for the subject area). I
only named Intense School because I saw that they had an online option, which
is one of the very MAJOR factors for me right now. There are a lot of books
out there that will help you along the way and the OSSTMM document by ISECOM
is very well written, I cannot believe I did not take the time to read it
before now. I am not sure if there is an equivalent course manual for the CEH
that you can just purchase and go through, the course materials used by the
organisations that offer the course seem to be a customised product done by
the particular institution.
You can check out the various institutions though a lot of them have their
course outline that you can download and go over, just remember as I have
learnt from this very topic a good course outline does not guarantee a good
instructor or learning experience. I guess what I am saying is you must do
some checking on your own, and ultimately make your own decision it is your
money and time that will be invested.
Gregory
-----Original Message-----
From: NativePenSec [mailto:a2zpensec@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:26 AM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: CEH training
Ok...my take is that the official EC Council courseware is NOT the one to use
to study for the CEH exam, RIGHT?? If so, what are the alternatives. I do
have a home network ( a linux box, xp, 2k and cisco router) and have been
doing inhouse hacking (if you will). I downloaded the exam objects and have
been learning towards these objectives.
So....should I use the official EC Council courseware or do an intense school
route??
Thanks!
-FCH
On 6/23/05, Tim Singletary <Tim@active-defense.com> wrote:
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> The Infosec Institute is an authorized EC Council training and
> testing center and they DO NOT use the "stock" EC Council courseware.
>
> But to put it simple Greg was asking for opinions and this has turned
> into a mass marketing campaign. Looking back through this thread every
> person that teaches the CEH has piped in and said "theirs" was the
> best.
>
> Two things, first Gregory was asking for an honest, unbiased,
> reference to the CEH, second these forums were designed to promote
> learning and cohesion among fellow pen-testers, not a forum for mass
> marketing.
>
>
>
> Timothy Singletary
> CISSP,CISM,CEI,CEH,Security+,CTT+,MCP
> 315.601.0953 Cell
> Tim@active-defense.com
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Echemendia [mailto:ralph.echemendia@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:44 AM
> To: glemmon@onealwebster.com
> Cc: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: CEH training
>
> Hey Gregory,
>
> Being the Information Security Testing Product Line Manager and lead
> instructor / researcher here at Intense School I of course somewhat
> biased, but will try to be honest in my response to this matter.
>
> I always see a great deal of questions regarding our content and the
> CEH. I also used to teach the OPST and the real issue surrounding
> these "hacking" certifications is industry-wide approval and market
> penetration. When it comes to a world-wide cert. that has achieved
> this, it is the CEH.
>
> To clarify, Intense School has lead the growth of the CEH in the US
> more so than any other training provider with a very high pass rate.
> With that said we are also the only authorized testing provider who
> does NOT use the official CEH Curriculum. Why you may ask?
> The answer is simple, quality and hands-on education. The curriculum
> provided by EC-Council for this course (while good for some) is more
> like a book than a class and the nature of the hand-on experience is
> almost non-existant.
>
> Therefor we created a course that met our expectations, which is to
> exceed our students needs.
>
> Our (current) courseware was developed by Clement Dupuis and John
> Nunez. I have to tell you that in my many years and having written,
> seen and taught many "Hacking" classes, John and Clement did an great
> job, with any curriculum in IT updates are mandatory.
>
> This class certainly prepares you for the CEH, and to be honest many
> other similar certification, but is written to do more than just that.
>
> We are continually working to offer our students the most "Intense"
> training experience. In fact we are the ONLY ones to my knowledge who
> offer the same quality and hands-on training ONLINE.
> http://www.intenseschool.com/bootcamps/liveonline/default.asp
>
> If ANY of you have any questions, comments or concerns feel free to
> contact me.
>
> Again Thank YOU and have a GREAT class, whichever you choose.
>
> Highest Regards,
>
> Ralph Echemendia, OPST, CEH, ECSA
> Lead Instructor / ISPLM
> Intense School
> http://www.intenseschool.com/
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>
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 2:34 PM, glemmon@onealwebster.com wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am looking at getting some training to start my official journey
> > down = the path as a Security Penetration Tester - and was wondering
> > about the = views on taking the Intense School's CEH boot Camp. Has
> > anyone on/from the list attended their course and have and
> > feedback/recommendations? My = background is predominantly Windows,
> > but I am fairly functional with Linux. I am more interested in
> > online courses right now though only because I am = currently
> > involved in some projects that require me to be available for my
> > office = over the next couple of months. Any constructive feedback
> > is more than = welcome.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Gregory Lemmon, MCP, Security+
> > I.T. Manager
>
>
>
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