From: OBrien, Brennan (BOBrien@columbia.com)
Date: Fri Aug 20 2004 - 11:32:34 EDT
This is such BS...
Look, a lot of us aren't having any significant problems with SP2. MOST
of the apps listed on the link you provide are home user apps, rather
than corporate apps. Are there problems w/ SP2? Of course there are.
MS made a lot of changes, and fallout is to be expected. This would be
the same thing if the same level of changes were made to any other OS.
Indeed, lets make a little guess that there are a million applications
for Windows... this list has what, 20 entries? 20/1,000,000 = 0.002% of
applications that are currently having problems. Get over it.
If you're so against MS, DON'T USE THE STUFF. It really is that simple.
All the open sourcer's tell us they make systems that are spiff, so use
that... Oh, you say the performance sucks (ala OpenOffice)? You're
frustrated that getting decent information and documentation is
difficult? Well, hey, it's programmers, you don't expect a lot of docs
from them. You don't know enough about linux and don't like having to
tinker with it all the time to get it to work? Yeah, cars are like
that, too... Come off this MS Bashing. They really did give us what we
asked for -- I put a SP2 box out on the internet raw (without any
customization after installation) and guess what... it survived 49 hours
(and counting) without being compromised.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Burge [mailto:bill@burge.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:49 PM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: XPSP2 compatability
I'm gonna have to go with "grassy knoll shooters" for 500 dollars, Alex.
Based on this list, I think there is a conspiracy afoot. I've dealt
with Microsoft for many years and at MANY different levels ranging from
customer to competitor to takeover object - I trust them as far as I can
throw Redmond.
The apps on the list represent many of the apps and families of apps
that made Windows OS's (can I call them that?) popular. There are first
run games, office productivity applications (many from MS, who would
have already tested them and KNOWN they wouldn't work) and the
anti-virus applications as well as PC protection apps many have come to
rely on for a feeling of protection. They can't possibly think that the
Windows using world would just go on without them?
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxps
p2
And the list will only g-r-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-w...
After getting kicked in the butt all around the 'Net for making an OS
with all the security of cheese cloth, Bill G has come back and given us
what "we asked for" - a "much more secure" (useless) version of Windows.
I'm guessing there is already a less restrictive, more permissive,
version of SP2 waiting in the wings (or reg setting). It might even be
SP2rc2 (which might just be SP2 with the "added security 'off' by
default") - but Windows users will have to choose to run a less secure
Windows - and that is what he wants. "I gave you a more secure Windows
- but you chose not to run it."
Some call me paranoid, I call it experience... ;-)
bb
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On 8/17/2004 at 11:33 AM Jon Cheuvront wrote:
>Same here, I've been using XPsp2RC2 with no problems, now WinPCAP is
>broken and ethereal will not work (I use all day long with the admin
>interface for NFR Sentivist). The only problem I have now is the
>service pack will NOT uninstall, how would have guessed it crashes when
>I try to remove it. I'm done with MS, I'm loading Linux and just use
>vmware or rdc for the ms apps.
>
>-JC
>---
>Jon Cheuvront
>Network System Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roman Fomichev [mailto:from@e-solutions.lv]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:52 AM
>To: Anjin; pen-test@securityfocus.com
>Subject: Re: XPSP2 compatability
>
>I have been using ethereal for years. I have been using XPSP2 since
rc1.
>
>No problems.
>
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:50:32 +0930, Anjin <wildcard@internode.on.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Following up on the item from James, it also seems that XPSP2 is
>> incompatible with WinPCAP. Both Snort and Ethereal fail with an
>> identical error when XPSP2 is installed. Removing the patch solves
>> the problem.
>>
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