From: James Williams (jwilliams@itexch.wtamu.edu)
Date: Fri Apr 23 2004 - 10:02:02 EDT
My thinking would be to not include pen testing with the risk
assessment. IMHO, the "risk assessment" is more of the political part of
the business. A company either out sources a security consultant to
learn how their business works for a period of time and the security
consultant writes the risk assessment based upon what he/she has learned
or the company has personal internally that create the risk assessment.
To determine "risk" you have to ask yourself a series of questions.
What are the threats?
-inside threats?
-outside threats?
-what are the company "crown jewels"
What are the vulnerabilities?
-social engineering?
-possible vulnerabilities in software?
-physical access? To what? Whom has access?
>From the above you are able to determine your risks. From that point you
work creating a better stance on risk and trying to get the company to
an acceptable risk.
This type of assessments are used to help create policies and to help
create a better understanding of what needs to happen to make the
company more secure.
James Williams
Network Systems Technician
West Texas A&M University
-----Original Message-----
From: Amit Deshmukh [mailto:amit_deshmukh@bridgepoint.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:57 PM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Cc: c0d3r@cotse.net
Subject: RE: Bank Assessment
Hi all!
I'm new to this list and this is my first post! While we are still on
the discussion of standards, would anyone know of a simple risk
assessment methodology that could be employed for small to medium
businesses?
I'm stuck with the problem that its quite expensive to do an extensive
risk assessment for small firms to identify their threats and carry out
pen tests on the basis of those threats. So we have quoted a fixed
number of days based on gut instinct. However, in such a scenario it is
difficult to identify the extent to which one pen-test!
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
Amit
-----Original Message-----
From: c0d3r@cotse.net [mailto:c0d3r@cotse.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:23 AM
To: Blake Wiedman
Cc: 'Joe Smith'; pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Bank Assessment
Hi all;
Not to cast any dispersions on anything, but IMHO, the FFIEC guidelines
are pretty
lame. They're OK for "management and operational" type reviews, but
they just don't
cut it for technical work. I'd look to a more solid technical standard,
like
nsa.gov, nist.gov, or OSSTMM Ver. 2. Those are the things that I use
for (almost
exclusively) banks. We've developed custom testing programs using these
as
standards.
c0d3r
> You can find the answers to most of your questions including
guidelines
> here http://www.ffiec.gov/
>
> My employer uses the guidelines as the basis for all of our banking
> clients.
>
>
> Blake Wiedman
> Security Technician
> Icons Inc.
> www.iconsinc.com
> 732.309.6038
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Smith [mailto:joey@r00t66.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:40 PM
> To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Bank Assessment
>
>
> I'm looking for any good links with regard to Banking Institutions..
> Security assessments, pen-testing, special needs etc. I know they
are
> big on policies and procedures.
>
>
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