From: Patrick Prue (pprue@cogeco.ca)
Date: Wed Feb 11 2004 - 23:06:50 EST
I do have to agree with Brian on the one point Track 4 is not intended to
teach pen-testing.
I do hold the GCIH certification and have for a number of years now the main
focus of the materials taught and the certification as I view it is more
leaning towards the whole incident handling cycle , having the knowledge of
the hacker techniques and exploits makes you a better incident handler when
it comes down to looking at the root cause of the compromise in the first
place.
The certification process can be very rigourus and challenging at times .
And as I see the original question poised I guess the whole intent is what
exactly are you hoping to get out of it . The OPST certification seems alot
more centered around the whole methodology of Pen Testing and how to perform
it . Seemingly if this methodology was performed by many pen testers they
should each turn out a very similar result and report when drawing up the
final reports.
Just my 2 cents..
Patrick Prue
GCIH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bartholomew, Brian J" <BartholomewBJ@state.gov>
To: <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 7:14 AM
Subject: RE: OPST vs CEH
> Actually I did not, due to the fact that Track 4 was useless. I do
however
> have a great respect for people who have taken the GIAC Certs as they are
> very difficult (especially the GCIA). But, as for the material covered,
and
> the way it was taught, SANS Track 4 is NOT a good course to take to learn
> the basics behind pen testing. The question was asked about which to
> take...OPST or CEH (not GCIH). The answer I gave described the courses I
> had been through, including Track 4 and an "opinion" as to which of the
> classes were better.
>
> Also I would have to say that you are in the same boat as I sir since you
do
> not carry the GCIH. So, your defense on that specific Track has as much
> credibility as mine if we are going off of "certifications" as you hinted
in
> the previous email. I was in your shoes about a year ago and thought SANS
> was the greatest thing since sliced bread, until I took Track 4. The
> difference between Track 3 (your certification) and Track 4 (the one we
are
> discussing) is too large to quantify.
>
> So, as stated in my last email, I suggest you take my advice and not waste
> your, or your company's money on SANS Track 4. Take the time and try to
> attend one of the OSTMM specific courses as they are much, much better.
> Good day to you.
>
> Brian J. Bartholomew
> US Department of State
> Bureau of Diplomatic Security
> DS/SI/ACD SA-20 Special Programs
> Ph: 571-345-2598
> Cell: 202-369-6349
> 1801 North Lynn St.
> Arlington, VA 22201
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Parker [mailto:dparker@rigelksecurity.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:31 AM
> To: Bartholomew, Brian J; 'pen-test@securityfocus.com'
> Subject: RE: OPST vs CEH
>
>
> Hello Brian, did you actually bother to certify after taking whatever SANS
> training it
> was that you took? The SANS training is among the best out there, however
> the challenge
> starts when you do the certification process. This has not only a
difficult
> "practical"
> portion, but also two demanding exams. From what I have seen of the OSTMM
> and the CEH
> neither one of them measure up. The OSTMM does seem to offer business
> training as well
> though in addition to the other obvious training. Though I would say that
is
> best left
> to a place which actually specializes in business training such as a
> college.
>
> Cheers
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Don Parker, GCIA
> Intrusion Detection Specialist
> Rigel Kent Security & Advisory Services Inc
> www.rigelksecurity.com
> ph :613.249.8340
> fax:613.249.8319
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Feb 6 , "Bartholomew, Brian J" <BartholomewBJ@state.gov> wrote:
>
> I have taken the CEH but not the OPST. The CEH is kinda simplistic, and
> pretty easy to pass. I have not taken the OPST, however, I have heard
that
> it is much more in depth and more difficult to pass.
>
> I do think the course designed with the CEH exam (I took one through
Intense
> school) is one of the better courses I have taken (in comparison with
> Foundstone, SANS, etc.). Those "other" courses are too mainstream and
none
> of them speak of the OSTMM except for the CEH oriented classes.
>
> To sum it up...If you are looking for letters after your name and a good
> base to start with, go for the CEH (it can't hurt). If you want to take a
> more detailed, OSTMM sponsored test, take the OPST. What the hell, take
> both if you really like a challenge :)
>
> Brian J. Bartholomew
> Bureau of Diplomatic Security
> DS/SI/ACD SA-20 Special Programs
> Ph: 571-345-2598
> Cell: 202-369-6349
> 1801 North Lynn St.
> Arlington, VA 22201
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: circut@hackthisbox.org [mailto:circut@hackthisbox.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:01 AM
> To: kenzo
> Cc: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: OPST vs CEH
>
>
>
> I've taken the CEH class. It's pretty good, but it focuses more on hacking
> windows then it does linux or unix. The instructor and environment was
> good though. They don't really talk too much in depth about buffer
> overflows or privledge escalation on linux. But I think the class was
> worth it. NEver taken any of those other tests.
>
> -circut
>
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, kenzo wrote:
>
> > I'm thinking about taking one of these certs. OPST (OSSTMM PROFESSIONAL
> > SECURITY TESTER)
> > or CEH (certified ethical hacker)
> > I've read about the two, and they seem to be kind of the same thing.
> > I know that some people in here were talking about the opst, but what
> about
> > the ceh?
> > Has anyone taking the CEH or both?
> > Please let me know.
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> >
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