RE: CEH and Intense School

From: Bartholomew, Brian J (BartholomewBJ@state.gov)
Date: Fri Nov 07 2003 - 08:50:08 EST


Andrew,

        I have taken the course and numerous others that compare, and by
far, this course was the best. But, even though it was the best, don't go
in there expecting to come out the Uber Kewl Haxor that they perceive in
their ads. The course material was OK, but as stated in a previous email,
the instructors friggin rock. Clement is definitely the best instructor I
have had in a while.

        Put up against two other popular "Hacking" courses, this beats them
hands down. The other two that I have sampled is Foundstone's Ultimate
Hacking, and Ultimate Hacking Expert, and SANS Track 4 Incident Handling and
Hacker Exploits. All three of these were good courses, but not as
structured. Also, the added benefit of gaining the CEH at the end of the
course, as lame as it may sound, makes it better than the other three.

        Regarding the CEH...It is frowned upon by a lot of people as a
cheesy certification glorifying script kiddies, but I have to say, it gets
you money, and after all, isn't that what we are all about anyway?

        My suggestion is to take the course. Make sure you stay in a hotel
and not at home, as classes run some nights past 2100. Also, make sure you
are up to date on the various methodologies and techniques employed by the
bad guys so you can bring up questions that are relevant to today (i.e. -
Don't ask about things like "Ping of Death" or "Stacheldracht"). Study
wireless, as you will most likely spend an entire day on it. The biggest
thing to remember is go in there with an open mind and you will love the
course. If you go in expecting it to suck, you will be disappointed.

        Sorry for the rambling, but I am sick of people blasting a course
that most of them haven't taken.

P.S. - Sytex runs a good course too.

Brian J. Bartholomew
U.S. Dept of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security
Computer Incident Response Team
(W) (571)345-2654
(C) (202)369-6349

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Turner [mailto:andrewhturner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:11 PM
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: CEH and Intense School

Greetings,

I am considering taking the Ethical Hacking course
tought by Intense School. Has anyone had experience
with this training program? If so, I would be very
interested in hearing your comments on the program.

Thanks in Advance!

--
Andrew H. Turner, CISSP
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