From: Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr (gwen@reptiles.org)
Date: Tue Jul 08 2003 - 15:43:51 EDT
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Alfred Huger wrote:
> You would? You would expect me to censor obviously damaging material to
> the vendor? I think I must have missed something in your earlier thread.
> You think its OK for me to censor anything damaging to the vendor but not
> OK for me to expect people to be held accountable for their musings I do
> decide are OK? I am not going to re-iterate my previous concerns because I
> am not sure I am articulating them well enough for you to understand.
I expect that you'd drop a posting from -any- entity that had abusive
or blatantly off content.
> Suffice it to say this exercise is not about protecting vendors from
> negative opinions.
-That- has yet to be proven. It certainly isn't at all aparent from
what you've written to date that protection of vendors isn't one
of your primary goals.
> >>Beyond that, if a vendor is sufficiently concerned about a given
> >>posting, I'd suggest that they respond (as regularly happens) to
> >>he posting with calm, factual information.
>
> Again, youre missing the point here. I am at a loss as to how to explain
> the issues at hand here in a more clear concise way for you.
Please try. I'm really quite curious to understand what you believe
that you're trying to acomplish.
> >>Let me point you to:
> >>http://www.chillingeffects.org/johndoe/
>
> Great but it does not answer my question, care to try? Both of the URLs
> you provided speak to these issues in both generic and specific instances
> but none citing this industry in regards to Product Reviews the issue in
> question here. Also keep in mind this in legal terms is hardly an issue
> specific to the USA. In fact this list and its moderators are not in the
> USA. Symantec SF is also not a US based company.
I'm a bit boggled that you can look at both general and specific
instances in the software industry, but not specifically the security
industry, and somehow believe that "That can't happen here".
At any rate, I'm well aware that the list and its moderators are not
in the US. Calgary, if I recall correctly. Obviously you need no
reminding that not all subscribers are in the US, either[0].
> >>...and I'd ask again, "accountable"? Does that mean 'has an established
> >>dentity online'
> Thats a good start actually.
How does that treat people like Rain Forest Puppy and Mudge, whose online
identies are clearly not real names?
> Yes and dont forget a blood sample. Youre expanding this into an argument
> for privacy and anonymity in the greater sense whereas this is a
> discussion around one item for a small community (this list). I suspect
> you have strong feelings about the greater issues here and I applaud you
> for it but this is simply not the right argument for you to bring them to
> bear.
I'm asking you to formally state the criteria you intend to use to
determine whether somebody is posting from an appropriate "accountable"
address.
> Great, Ive gone from a list moderator to a servant of the faceless
> Government Concern bent on spinning policy for the subjugated masses. I
> have to wonder if thats a promotion. Perhaps you can start throwing
> around terms like ZOG in your next message so we can really bring out the
> conspiracy theories.
If you like, I can claim that you're actually Theo de Raadt, since
everybody knows that there are only ten people in Canada... [0]
cheers!
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