From: Craig Wright (cwright@bdosyd.com.au)
Date: Mon Mar 05 2007 - 13:50:44 EST
Simple answer, you don't try to get thier permission. Leave them in their ignorance. It is not your role to save the world.
Most companies know they have imperfect security (law of diminishing returns in all that).
That said, if you truly have to do this... Than you need to have a risk based argument. You need to demonstrate cost of not doing something exceeds the cost of doing something.
Regards,
Craig
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From: listbounce@securityfocus.com on behalf of Barry Fawthrop
Sent: Tue 6/03/2007 12:28 AM
To: Barry Fawthrop
Cc: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: The legal / illegal line?
Thanks All
I agree totally, that it is a line that should be kept away from
But then how do you "prove" to someone that their system isn't as secure
as they "feel"/assume it is?
I have run into many companies where you can see the security is not
what it should be.
Yet you ask the IT director and they are so convinced they have perfect
security and even report that to their
bosses. Yet the signs are clear they don't?
How do you convince them, when they won't give permission because isn't
warning them removing them from
Due Diligence to Due Negligence?
Thanks again
Barry
Barry Fawthrop wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Curious to hear other views, where does the legal and illegal line stand
> in doing a pen test on a third party company?
> Does it start at the IP Address/Port Scanning Stage or after say once
> access is gained?? very vague I know
>
>
> I'm also curious to hear from other external/3rd party pen-test
> consultants, how they have managed to solve the problem
> Where they approach a client who is convinced they have security, and
> yet there is classic signs that they don't?
> You know that if you did a simple pen-test you would have the evidence
> to prove your point all would be mute
>
> But from my current point that would be illegal, even if no access was
> gained. (maybe I'm wrong) ??
>
> Perhaps this is just a problem here where I am or perhaps it exists
> elsewhere also?
>
> I look forward to your input
>
> Barry
>
>
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