From: Ivan Arce (ivan.arce@coresecurity.com)
Date: Wed Nov 01 2006 - 18:10:45 EST
Hello
As a follow up to jmk's comment. Cracking the 'passwords' has never been
really necessary because you can simply reuse a captured hash for
authenticated access. This technique was pioneered by Hernan Ochoa from
Core Security Technologies (sorry for the self-promoting rant but I think
he deserves proper credit) and later popularized in the Hacking Exposed
book and training from Foundstone, who used Hernan's tool for the trick.
The gist of the 'technique' is the "Modifying Windows NT Logon Credential"
paper available here:
http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?module=ContentMod&action=item&id=1030
The rationale for this (instead of modifying SAMBA) was that by changing
the credentials on a existing Windows system you could then just run the
existing windows applications that use the hash currently set to
authenticate to remote boxes.
The DCE/RPC & SMB components of the freely available Impacket python
package already have support for using dumped hashes. The common use
scenario is that you break into some Windows, dump the hashes from the SAM
and then re-use those hashes to try to get authenticated access to other
Windows boxes on the network. Impacket is part of the CORE IMPACT tool
($$, commercial) where many MS-RPC exploits take advantage of this
feature, this is relevant because many recent RPC-based vulnerabilities
now require authenticated access to the endpoints for successful
exploitation-.
Perhaps, more importantly is that Impacket is also freely available under
an Apache 1.1 license here:
http://oss.coresecurity.com/projects/impacket.html
-ivan
jmk wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 17:27 -0700, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:
>> Maybe I'm just in a different environment, but when I see people report
>> "routine" cracking SAM's, it really makes we wonder who the client-base is.
>> I think the last time I was paid for any work with LM cracking was over 10
>> years ago. I've been turning off LM since Win2k came out, and have been
>> telling people to use pass-phrases instead of passwords since Win2000
>> allowed 126 character passcodes. Even something as simple as "my dog has
>> fleas" couldn't be rainbow cracked with anything I've seen out there. Of
>> course, when you have a pass phrase like "OK, this is my passphrase--crack
>> THIS 1 homeboy!" Then the whole thing goes out the window.
>>
>> That's what I was on about- while I think rainbow tables are neat, I've
>> really not had much use for them given their size, having to have admin
>> access to get the SAM anyway (for win machines) and how easy it is to thwart
>> them. But that's just me ;)
>
> Unfortunately, it seems that the vast majority of clients I work with
> still have LM hashes enabled and usually some relatively weak passwords.
> John typically is able to crack the passwords quickly and, when it
> can't, Rainbow tables work. I'm hopeful that we're slowly getting them
> educated though.
>
> We did run into a situation recently where a compromised workstation
> contained an interesting account with only a NTLM hash. In order to use
> that hash against other hosts, I've modified Samba to simply pass it.
> Samba's "net" command can do lots of cool stuff, like add local user
> accounts. My updated patch is available, if anyone wants it:
>
> http://www.foofus.net/jmk/passhash.html
>
> Joe
>
>
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