RE: bittorrent == botnet

From: Elias-Bachrach, Ari (721) (ari.elias-bachrach@protiviti.com)
Date: Thu Oct 05 2006 - 13:57:16 EDT


I'm also not a BT expert, but I don't think you could really flood
someone off line just because of the way BT works. BT has a lot of flow
control algorithms to protect against chewing up too much bandwidth on
one server. Also the server you were trying to flood would not
_actually_ have the file people were requesting. After a certain number
of tries (I think 3) the clients will stop trying to connect. With no
good servers the tracker will eventually get flagged as bad and no one
will download it. I doubt if much traffic would be generated at all.

Ari Elias-Bachrach
Senior Technology Risk Consultant
Protiviti
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-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@securityfocus.com [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com]
On Behalf Of Jason M Frey
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:35 PM
To: Jason L. Ellison; pen-test
Subject: RE: bittorrent == botnet

While I'm no bittorrent expert, I would think that this would likely not
produce the desired results. You may post a popular torrent, but the
seed/leech numbers would not attract a mass of individuals.

You would have to post a torrent that is not available anywhere else,
but would be highly desirable. Even then, however, I suspect that the
traffic created by the initiation of a torrent connection would not be
sufficient to overburden the network.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@securityfocus.com [mailto:listbounce@securityfocus.com]
On Behalf Of Jason L. Ellison
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:26 PM
To: pen-test
Subject: bittorrent == botnet

  A friend and I were discusing the possible uses of the bittorrent
network in DDOS's. It could be a very massive botnet if you advertised
popular files with the targets ip address and target service. In the
most
recent version of azerus I noticed that the default settings ignore
clients that advertise on ports "0;25;135;139".

  For instance if I falsely advertise: HTTP, RDP, SIP, VNC ports and the
victims ip address and loaded my client with very popular hashes... I
would think this would overburden most small medium businesses without
having to own or buy a botnet.

comments?

-Jason Ellison

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