RE: Covert Microphone Application

From: Craig Wright (cwright@bdosyd.com.au)
Date: Mon Jul 31 2006 - 04:43:52 EDT


Why should we assume this?

I can have a PC "listen" and record without a network. Again, nothing of how the host is configured is being asked. Nothing on the OS, the apps etc.

Next you are stating that as a trusted sys admin you can break an organisations security. Wow, good for you.

Without a network there is IR. Possibly the host has bluetooth. Maybe the network is off, but it has a built in wireless card. One of the key requirements of a good Security person is that they ASK QUESTIONS.

Craig

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From: Mike Kuriger [mailto:m@wb.com]
Sent: Sat 29/07/2006 3:40 AM
To: Craig Wright
Cc: Matt Burnett; shiri_yacov@yahoo.com; pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Covert Microphone Application

The whole point of the challenge is that the employee told his boss that
a hacker could get into the laptop and spy on meetings. We should
assume that the laptop is on the network, and that the challenge
requires making the recording from a remote location. Anyone can plant
a bug, but the employee is making a case that there already is a bug in
place (the laptop)

~Mike~

Craig Wright wrote:

>How about not all making assumptions on how the machine is configured
>etc.
>
>No body has asked if the machine is networked- you are all making an
>assumption that may be invalid. What O/S is the host running.
>Statistically the likelihood is XP not Linux. Thus telnet is likely
>disabled.
>
>Even if it is XP, is Remote admin/desktop enabled or disabled by policy.
>Is the host on a domain etc etc etc.
>
>Ask some questions, don't make assumptions.
>
>
>Craig
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Burnett [mailto:marukka@mac.com]
>
>Sent: Friday, 28 July 2006 1:58 AM
>To: shiri_yacov@yahoo.com
>Cc: pen-test@securityfocus.com
>Subject: Re: Covert Microphone Application
>
>Wouldnt it just be a lot easier for you or your boss to disconnect
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>the microphone cable than going though some elaborate scheme to prove
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>it could possibly be done? If they can "ruled" any laptop at will
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>then couldnt they also get into your mail servers? Wouldnt anything
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>that would be discussed in your meeting generate followups in a email?
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>On Jul 26, 2006, at 4:55 AM, shiri_yacov@yahoo.com wrote:
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>>Hi all,
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>>I have recently entered with my boss to our corp. conference room
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>>to discover a new (shining) internet laptop on a side desk in the
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>>room.
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>>During our chat I mentioned that the laptop has a builtin
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>>microphone and therefore enables covert eavsdropping in case the
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>>laptop is "ruled" from remote position, and therefore, a conference
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>>room PC should have no builtin mic.
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>>My sceptic boss replied instantly - "I challange you, bring me a
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>>recording of any meeting - I`ll replace the laptop, and you`ll receive
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>>it."
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>>I therefore need a small covert application (no need in process
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>>hiding), which will record microphone input to file. command line
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>>application is perfect.
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>>Do any of you know any ?
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>>Guys, I gotta have this laptop...
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>>Regards,
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>>Shiri
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